‘What do I think? I think what you're saying is basically a conspiracy theory, and like all conspiracy theories it's optimistic. What you're saying is, OK the war isn't fought for the reasons we're told, but it is being fought for a reason. It's not benefiting people it's supposed to be benefiting, but it is benefiting somebody. And I don't believe that, you see. I think things are actually much worse than you think because there isn't any justification left. It's become self-perpetuating system. Nobody benefits. Nobody's in control. Nobody knows how to stop.’